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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/02/26/the-bible-impassioned-truth-or-a-load-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why focus your life on making someone believe something that they don’t want to. Focus your energies on more important things.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
We focus our efforts on finding the truth. Since we do not believe the truth can be found in religious texts, we argue against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why focus your life on making someone believe something that they don’t want to. Focus your energies on more important things.</p></blockquote>
<p>We focus our efforts on finding the truth. Since we do not believe the truth can be found in religious texts, we argue against them.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/02/26/the-bible-impassioned-truth-or-a-load-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find sad is that you people argue about stuff like this..  Why focus your life on making someone believe something that they don't want to.  Focus your energies on more important things.  I won't ask you to change your thoughts, and you better not "ask" me to change mine..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find sad is that you people argue about stuff like this..  Why focus your life on making someone believe something that they don&#8217;t want to.  Focus your energies on more important things.  I won&#8217;t ask you to change your thoughts, and you better not &#8220;ask&#8221; me to change mine..</p>
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		<title>By: geekdemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekdemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they claim that jesus exist in their time accord to the bible.

but many scientist and  astrology (I spell it wrong but the word that people who study history through digging or discover things) found what is strange is that anyone usually write or draw what they witness through out history yet NOT ONE HAS FOUND ANYTHING MENTION JESUS IN HIS TIME. he've been famous of his time and nobody mention of him? not even in dairy.  

Jesus is only mention in the bible and who wrote the bible mention Jesus birthdate at two different time. which are conflict to "accuracy and trustworthy"

I found out those at Knowreligion.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they claim that jesus exist in their time accord to the bible.</p>
<p>but many scientist and  astrology (I spell it wrong but the word that people who study history through digging or discover things) found what is strange is that anyone usually write or draw what they witness through out history yet NOT ONE HAS FOUND ANYTHING MENTION JESUS IN HIS TIME. he&#8217;ve been famous of his time and nobody mention of him? not even in dairy.  </p>
<p>Jesus is only mention in the bible and who wrote the bible mention Jesus birthdate at two different time. which are conflict to &#8220;accuracy and trustworthy&#8221;</p>
<p>I found out those at Knowreligion.net</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/02/26/the-bible-impassioned-truth-or-a-load-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely correct ewanm89. The evidence does support the Big Bang but there are still a ton of questions left unsolved because the Big Bang theory doesn't explain the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct ewanm89. The evidence does support the Big Bang but there are still a ton of questions left unsolved because the Big Bang theory doesn&#8217;t explain the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: ewanm89</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/02/26/the-bible-impassioned-truth-or-a-load-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>ewanm89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scientists can not prove big bang theory, they have a lot of evidence to take it as the most likely explanation from the evidence. I'm sure you understand the Doppler effect (I hear it every time a cop car screams down the road). Well, this same effect has been observed in light from stars, and they all show the effect in a particular direction away from us (Hubbles law, also predicts distance away from amount of redshift as we are still accelerating from the Big Bang). This is then taken further by plotting the paths of these Galaxies and it is found they all com from a very small are of space time. (With a telescope, diffraction grating, camera and math (we automate with computers now, but can be done by hand ;) ) you could observe this. 

Since then other evidence has also been bought to the table so to speak:
How the cosmos looks in the microwave spectrum (you could build a microwave telescope if your heart desired), the abundance of Hydrogen and Helium when compared with Uranium and Plutonium (on a cosmological scale, you can again do this although harder), and the fact that computer simulations predict the outcome of the universe if given a singularity and the laws of physics we know (i.e. gravitational constant, magnet spin, positive and negative charges, etc all hold true).

Now until a more likely theory is put forward most Scientists agree this is the most likely given the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientists can not prove big bang theory, they have a lot of evidence to take it as the most likely explanation from the evidence. I&#8217;m sure you understand the Doppler effect (I hear it every time a cop car screams down the road). Well, this same effect has been observed in light from stars, and they all show the effect in a particular direction away from us (Hubbles law, also predicts distance away from amount of redshift as we are still accelerating from the Big Bang). This is then taken further by plotting the paths of these Galaxies and it is found they all com from a very small are of space time. (With a telescope, diffraction grating, camera and math (we automate with computers now, but can be done by hand ;) ) you could observe this. </p>
<p>Since then other evidence has also been bought to the table so to speak:<br />
How the cosmos looks in the microwave spectrum (you could build a microwave telescope if your heart desired), the abundance of Hydrogen and Helium when compared with Uranium and Plutonium (on a cosmological scale, you can again do this although harder), and the fact that computer simulations predict the outcome of the universe if given a singularity and the laws of physics we know (i.e. gravitational constant, magnet spin, positive and negative charges, etc all hold true).</p>
<p>Now until a more likely theory is put forward most Scientists agree this is the most likely given the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/02/26/the-bible-impassioned-truth-or-a-load-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I still find it hard to digest the fact that you cannot accept the CHANCE that someone could live beyond their life expectancy 2000 years ago…however, you are willing to accept the UBER CHANCE of life forming out of nothing over millions of years.
ridiculous."

I never said I didn't accept the chance that someone could live to those ages, I said it would be "miraculous" if they did, especially in those days where disease was rife and people were lucky to live past 35, let alone 70.

I hate it when people refer to Evolution as "chance" because it is nothing of the sort. Yes, there are probabilities involved, but it all comes down to natural selection, a far from random process.

At the end of the day, there is more proof for the Big Bang and Evolution than there is for anything in the Bible. I'm not disregarding the theory that God "used" these two methods to create life, but I have no proof to suggest that he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still find it hard to digest the fact that you cannot accept the CHANCE that someone could live beyond their life expectancy 2000 years ago…however, you are willing to accept the UBER CHANCE of life forming out of nothing over millions of years.<br />
ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>I never said I didn&#8217;t accept the chance that someone could live to those ages, I said it would be &#8220;miraculous&#8221; if they did, especially in those days where disease was rife and people were lucky to live past 35, let alone 70.</p>
<p>I hate it when people refer to Evolution as &#8220;chance&#8221; because it is nothing of the sort. Yes, there are probabilities involved, but it all comes down to natural selection, a far from random process.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, there is more proof for the Big Bang and Evolution than there is for anything in the Bible. I&#8217;m not disregarding the theory that God &#8220;used&#8221; these two methods to create life, but I have no proof to suggest that he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/02/26/the-bible-impassioned-truth-or-a-load-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"however, you are willing to accept the UBER CHANCE of life forming out of nothing over millions of years."

A small chance of life forming is an inevitability given enough time. I also accept that it is possible a god created the first microorganism.

It's not that hard to replicate early life being created. See the Miller-Urey experiment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment
It's not certain whether the early atmosphere of the earth was reducing or not.


"how can you so easily dismiss his experience? I thought that Atheist regard empiricism as the holy grail. His experience may be nothing like mine or yours, but…I haven’t seen Big Bangs recently, either.

The point here is: you accept the science that already conforms with your world view. Atheist criticize science and experience that differs from what they KNOW to be true."

Because the story is obviously unrealistically biased. It has someone turning from a right-wing's stereotypical "evil atheist" into their stereotypical "perfect Christian".


The difference is that I have seen PROOF of the Big Bang lately. There is evidence to support it. Why are you posting on an atheist blog if you don't believe things for which there is evidence? Should I assume you accept things without evidence, such as a clearly biased (and most likely completely fabricated) story?

As for the possibility of the bible having been written completely by the actual disciples of Jesus, it is clearly impossible. Most of the writtings in the bible are much older. Also, as mentioned, the early writings are disputable for the reasons mentioned. THe large majority of the writing of the bible came "from dreams" and not any personal account of Jesus. This is FACT, it's not a theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;however, you are willing to accept the UBER CHANCE of life forming out of nothing over millions of years.&#8221;</p>
<p>A small chance of life forming is an inevitability given enough time. I also accept that it is possible a god created the first microorganism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that hard to replicate early life being created. See the Miller-Urey experiment:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment</a><br />
It&#8217;s not certain whether the early atmosphere of the earth was reducing or not.</p>
<p>&#8220;how can you so easily dismiss his experience? I thought that Atheist regard empiricism as the holy grail. His experience may be nothing like mine or yours, but…I haven’t seen Big Bangs recently, either.</p>
<p>The point here is: you accept the science that already conforms with your world view. Atheist criticize science and experience that differs from what they KNOW to be true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because the story is obviously unrealistically biased. It has someone turning from a right-wing&#8217;s stereotypical &#8220;evil atheist&#8221; into their stereotypical &#8220;perfect Christian&#8221;.</p>
<p>The difference is that I have seen PROOF of the Big Bang lately. There is evidence to support it. Why are you posting on an atheist blog if you don&#8217;t believe things for which there is evidence? Should I assume you accept things without evidence, such as a clearly biased (and most likely completely fabricated) story?</p>
<p>As for the possibility of the bible having been written completely by the actual disciples of Jesus, it is clearly impossible. Most of the writtings in the bible are much older. Also, as mentioned, the early writings are disputable for the reasons mentioned. THe large majority of the writing of the bible came &#8220;from dreams&#8221; and not any personal account of Jesus. This is FACT, it&#8217;s not a theory.</p>
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		<title>By: The Atheist Jew</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/02/26/the-bible-impassioned-truth-or-a-load-of-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>The Atheist Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Gospel of John is dated between 90-120 AD I believe.   The author did not have to be the John it is attributed to either.  The fact is there could have been Roman, Greek, or Jewish writings regarding Jeebus, but there are none  until one line by Josephus who witnessed Christians, which is like me witnessing Scientologists or Mormons today.

It is highly probable that Paul's dream boy morphed into a real person over a few generations as more and more common lore was added to the story as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gospel of John is dated between 90-120 AD I believe.   The author did not have to be the John it is attributed to either.  The fact is there could have been Roman, Greek, or Jewish writings regarding Jeebus, but there are none  until one line by Josephus who witnessed Christians, which is like me witnessing Scientologists or Mormons today.</p>
<p>It is highly probable that Paul&#8217;s dream boy morphed into a real person over a few generations as more and more common lore was added to the story as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"from nothing" was a euphemism.
Why must I spell this out..?  The criticism was: how could someone 2000 years ago live to 90 AD to write the Gospel of John.  My retort is: If John was 20 when Jesus died (~36AD) this would make him 74 in 90AD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;from nothing&#8221; was a euphemism.<br />
Why must I spell this out..?  The criticism was: how could someone 2000 years ago live to 90 AD to write the Gospel of John.  My retort is: If John was 20 when Jesus died (~36AD) this would make him 74 in 90AD.</p>
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		<title>By: The Atheist Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Atheist Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No contemporary historians alive between 1 and 40 AD wrote one peep about Jeebus.
There were many alive back then.  Though this does not out and out disprove a historical Jeebus, where is the evidence he existed other than in the book of fairy tales?

No one says life formed from nothing.  We are made of atoms.  Watch the videos from Potholer54.  He shows how life was most probably formed.

There is absolutely no evidence that anyone could possibly live beyond 125, even with todays advancements in science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No contemporary historians alive between 1 and 40 AD wrote one peep about Jeebus.<br />
There were many alive back then.  Though this does not out and out disprove a historical Jeebus, where is the evidence he existed other than in the book of fairy tales?</p>
<p>No one says life formed from nothing.  We are made of atoms.  Watch the videos from Potholer54.  He shows how life was most probably formed.</p>
<p>There is absolutely no evidence that anyone could possibly live beyond 125, even with todays advancements in science.</p>
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