Comments on: Praying For The Sick http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:05:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Raquita http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-810 Raquita Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:05:47 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-810 funny thing I used to get your blog in my reader and lost track of it or something and it came up again with this post out of nowhere hopefully the glich is fixed and I will get more of your posts. funny thing I used to get your blog in my reader and lost track of it or something and it came up again with this post out of nowhere hopefully the glich is fixed and I will get more of your posts.

]]> By: Adrian Hayter http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-809 Adrian Hayter Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:59:49 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-809 I have to say Raquita, that after all the Christians we have had on this blog, you are most definitely a breath of fresh air. To find someone who is both religious but understands rational thinking, and who supports the right to choose, and gay marriage! I'm not going to let you leave the blog :P Go to the forums and register quickly!!! Hehehe I have to say Raquita, that after all the Christians we have had on this blog, you are most definitely a breath of fresh air. To find someone who is both religious but understands rational thinking, and who supports the right to choose, and gay marriage! I’m not going to let you leave the blog :P

Go to the forums and register quickly!!! Hehehe

]]> By: Raquita http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-808 Raquita Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:38:09 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-808 I agree whole heartedly in the seperation of church and state, I don't want my government involved in my church and vice versa - I've had more arguments with relatives who chose to vote the way their pastor said they should rather than think for themselves. Casting votes simply because someone is stanchly pro life and anti gay marriage is politically no better than chosing to not medicate your child but rather to pray for a miracle. (I am pro both issues - choice and equal rights -including gay marriage rights) I can easily understand why so many people think so poorly of christians - or at the very least american ones. We,Americans, in general suffer too easily from herd mentality, and are entirely too judgemental and easily swayed, in my humble opinion. We rely to heavily on CNN and news bites that don't give enough information. Hopefully change is growing and taking root in our younger generations acaross the globe.. I agree whole heartedly in the seperation of church and state, I don’t want my government involved in my church and vice versa - I’ve had more arguments with relatives who chose to vote the way their pastor said they should rather than think for themselves. Casting votes simply because someone is stanchly pro life and anti gay marriage is politically no better than chosing to not medicate your child but rather to pray for a miracle. (I am pro both issues - choice and equal rights -including gay marriage rights)
I can easily understand why so many people think so poorly of christians - or at the very least american ones. We,Americans, in general suffer too easily from herd mentality, and are entirely too judgemental and easily swayed, in my humble opinion. We rely to heavily on CNN and news bites that don’t give enough information. Hopefully change is growing and taking root in our younger generations acaross the globe..

]]> By: Adrian Hayter http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-805 Adrian Hayter Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:59:36 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-805 Well said Raquita. Whereas others might disagree with me, I'm fully aware that there are Christians out there who think rationally and you are evidently one of these people. I do think though that religion should be separated from the state as far (and further perhaps) as it has been here in the UK. I think the most similar case over here was one a few years back when a young child was tortured (literally) and tied up by her family, who accused her of being a witch. Luckily, they were all arrested and will spend a good portion of their lives behind bars where they belong. There are no religious laws in the U.K that would have hindered that sentence, and if this Madeline case were to be in England instead, her parents would have been arrested and charged within hours of her death. Well said Raquita. Whereas others might disagree with me, I’m fully aware that there are Christians out there who think rationally and you are evidently one of these people. I do think though that religion should be separated from the state as far (and further perhaps) as it has been here in the UK. I think the most similar case over here was one a few years back when a young child was tortured (literally) and tied up by her family, who accused her of being a witch.

Luckily, they were all arrested and will spend a good portion of their lives behind bars where they belong. There are no religious laws in the U.K that would have hindered that sentence, and if this Madeline case were to be in England instead, her parents would have been arrested and charged within hours of her death.

]]> By: Raquita http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-803 Raquita Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:45:08 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-803 Look I'm a christian and I am totally shocked by the ideas HG is spewing here. Look its real basic if you are a person of faith you take your kid to the Dr. - THE BEST ONE YOU CAN FIND mind you - and you pray for them. If you aren't a person of faith you take your kid to the Dr, BEST ONE YOU CAN FIND and put your faith in medicine. These parents missed a very very important step in either situation. POINT BLANK. There is no anount of faith or belief that makes it okay - none. No rationalle, no defense none. Kids are gifts no matter what your faith or if you have any. And they are to be protected, those parents failed and should be held accountable. HG - Christians are not to be set apart - your thought process causes me to set you apart because it is not rational. I fully expect charges to be brought on that childs parents because their actions are wrong. And anyone else who beleives as those parents do- and chose to with hold medical treatment on the basis of faith alone I beleive should have their parenting thoughly examined Look I’m a christian and I am totally shocked by the ideas HG is spewing here.
Look its real basic if you are a person of faith you take your kid to the Dr. - THE BEST ONE YOU CAN FIND mind you - and you pray for them. If you aren’t a person of faith you take your kid to the Dr, BEST ONE YOU CAN FIND and put your faith in medicine. These parents missed a very very important step in either situation. POINT BLANK. There is no anount of faith or belief that makes it okay - none. No rationalle, no defense none. Kids are gifts no matter what your faith or if you have any. And they are to be protected, those parents failed and should be held accountable.
HG -
Christians are not to be set apart - your thought process causes me to set you apart because it is not rational. I fully expect charges to be brought on that childs parents because their actions are wrong.
And anyone else who beleives as those parents do- and chose to with hold medical treatment on the basis of faith alone I beleive should have their parenting thoughly examined

]]> By: Blown wide open - Praying for the sick part 2 | The Atheist Blogger http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-799 Blown wide open - Praying for the sick part 2 | The Atheist Blogger Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:23:41 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-799 [...] Praying for the sick [...] [...] Praying for the sick [...]

]]> By: Adrian Hayter http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-798 Adrian Hayter Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:32:37 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-798 hg, Which book? Well I think it would have to be Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" which puts forward the arguments against God, but more importantly, defends atheism against things like immorality and Pascal's wager. If you don't get converted by it, then you will at least understand how atheism isn't morally wrong, and that it's a perfectly valid and rational interpretation of the world. Steve, If you are interested in atheism and morality, please read my post on the subject: http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/25/a-question-of-morality/ It details democratic morality which as far as I can tell has been theorized by other scientists, and of course the evidence supporting it is clearly visible. -Adrian hg,

Which book? Well I think it would have to be Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion” which puts forward the arguments against God, but more importantly, defends atheism against things like immorality and Pascal’s wager. If you don’t get converted by it, then you will at least understand how atheism isn’t morally wrong, and that it’s a perfectly valid and rational interpretation of the world.

Steve,

If you are interested in atheism and morality, please read my post on the subject: http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/25/a-question-of-morality/
It details democratic morality which as far as I can tell has been theorized by other scientists, and of course the evidence supporting it is clearly visible.

-Adrian

]]> By: Healyhatman http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-797 Healyhatman Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:52:38 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-797 No I see a difference between "people" and "unconscious cluster of cells" But like I told you regarding morality - READ about it. Try asktheatheist.com No I see a difference between “people” and “unconscious cluster of cells”

But like I told you regarding morality - READ about it. Try asktheatheist.com

]]> By: Steve http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-796 Steve Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:58:31 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-796 Of course I'm not saying that it's moral to deny ANYONE simple medical treatment. Please don't be irrational. What I don't understand is how is that relevant in an atheist worldview? I mean, what one animal does (or doesn't do) for another, what does that matter? You raise a moral complaint...but on what grounds? Where does the atheist get his benchmark for any moral complaint? You do because, like all human beings, you have this innate feeling in your soul, your consciousness that God placed there. You call it "common sense". Without God in the picture, who defines what "common sense" is? Society? If so, then Hitler's army needs to be apologized to because executing Jews was the law of their "society" at the time. It was obviously wrong because God said, "Thou shall not murder". I'm afraid that you have been asleep at the wheel of your studies on morality and "common" sense. And since you raised this Mother Teresa moral complaint about this 11 year old girl, I assume you feel the same about babies being executed (1 every 24 hrs) all across America at Abortion clinics right? Of course I’m not saying that it’s moral to deny ANYONE simple medical treatment. Please don’t be irrational. What I don’t understand is how is that relevant in an atheist worldview? I mean, what one animal does (or doesn’t do) for another, what does that matter? You raise a moral complaint…but on what grounds? Where does the atheist get his benchmark for any moral complaint? You do because, like all human beings, you have this innate feeling in your soul, your consciousness that God placed there. You call it “common sense”. Without God in the picture, who defines what “common sense” is? Society? If so, then Hitler’s army needs to be apologized to because executing Jews was the law of their “society” at the time. It was obviously wrong because God said, “Thou shall not murder”. I’m afraid that you have been asleep at the wheel of your studies on morality and “common” sense. And since you raised this Mother Teresa moral complaint about this 11 year old girl, I assume you feel the same about babies being executed (1 every 24 hrs) all across America at Abortion clinics right?

]]> By: Healyhatman http://atheistblogger.com/2008/03/31/praying-for-the-sick/#comment-795 Healyhatman Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:35:36 +0000 http://atheistblogger.com/?p=31#comment-795 Are you saying, Steve, that it's moral to deny a little 11 year old girl simple medical treatment to save her life? God wants you to watch while little girls die does he? That's the kind of God your God is? The kind who commands you to ignore common sense and allow your children to die? If so I spit on your false and unjust "God". On the topic of morality, firstly are you claiming only Christians are the really moral ones and secondly before you go claiming that atheists can't account for [morality] maybe you should use that brain of yours and do some reading on the subject. You'll discover plenty of discussions and explanations for the existence of apparent human morals. Also, choke on your food. Are you saying, Steve, that it’s moral to deny a little 11 year old girl simple medical treatment to save her life? God wants you to watch while little girls die does he? That’s the kind of God your God is? The kind who commands you to ignore common sense and allow your children to die? If so I spit on your false and unjust “God”.

On the topic of morality, firstly are you claiming only Christians are the really moral ones and secondly before you go claiming that atheists can’t account for [morality] maybe you should use that brain of yours and do some reading on the subject. You’ll discover plenty of discussions and explanations for the existence of apparent human morals.

Also, choke on your food.

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