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		<title>By: Laci Explains The Atheism / Agnosticism Relationship - The Atheist Blogger</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/23/what-is-agnosticism/comment-page-1/#comment-5006</link>
		<dc:creator>Laci Explains The Atheism / Agnosticism Relationship - The Atheist Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the YouTube masses. She also delves into the &#8220;quad&#8221; structure I described in a previous post. Although I would say that her definition of agnosticism is far too narrow and doesn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the YouTube masses. She also delves into the &#8220;quad&#8221; structure I described in a previous post. Although I would say that her definition of agnosticism is far too narrow and doesn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 66% Hardcore Atheist - The Atheist Blogger</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/23/what-is-agnosticism/comment-page-1/#comment-4724</link>
		<dc:creator>66% Hardcore Atheist - The Atheist Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gotten offended when someone called you an agnostic. - Before I learned that I was agnostic&#8230;sure, but luckily now I know that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gotten offended when someone called you an agnostic. &#8211; Before I learned that I was agnostic&#8230;sure, but luckily now I know that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/23/what-is-agnosticism/comment-page-1/#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key difference between certainty and knowledge is that certainty can be wrong. Let me give you an example:

You are in a dark room and you hear what sounds like the pitter patter of raindrops falling somewhere in the distance. From this evidence you can be certain that it is raining outside, however you cannot know for sure without observing it for yourself. There is a remote possibility that the sound is coming from a stereo or somewhere else. Nomatter how certain you are about the sound being real rain, you will only ever know once you have gone to the source and either seen the rain or the stereo.

Likewise, I am certain that there are no gods. I&#039;m convinced that the evidence shows them to be mere thinkings of the human mind. I&#039;ll never know though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key difference between certainty and knowledge is that certainty can be wrong. Let me give you an example:</p>
<p>You are in a dark room and you hear what sounds like the pitter patter of raindrops falling somewhere in the distance. From this evidence you can be certain that it is raining outside, however you cannot know for sure without observing it for yourself. There is a remote possibility that the sound is coming from a stereo or somewhere else. Nomatter how certain you are about the sound being real rain, you will only ever know once you have gone to the source and either seen the rain or the stereo.</p>
<p>Likewise, I am certain that there are no gods. I&#8217;m convinced that the evidence shows them to be mere thinkings of the human mind. I&#8217;ll never know though.</p>
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		<title>By: annavhutchinson</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/23/what-is-agnosticism/comment-page-1/#comment-4187</link>
		<dc:creator>annavhutchinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, OK. The terms make more sense now. I just haven&#039;t run into many people who use &quot;gnostic&quot; and &quot;agnostic&quot; to modify atheist and theist. That said, I&#039;m not entirely sure I see the difference between being certain that gods don&#039;t exist and claiming not to know gods don&#039;t exist. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, OK. The terms make more sense now. I just haven&#8217;t run into many people who use &#8220;gnostic&#8221; and &#8220;agnostic&#8221; to modify atheist and theist. That said, I&#8217;m not entirely sure I see the difference between being certain that gods don&#8217;t exist and claiming not to know gods don&#8217;t exist. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/23/what-is-agnosticism/comment-page-1/#comment-4178</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@annavhutchinson

I wouldn&#039;t refer to this as gnostic atheism. Certainty has nothing to do with knowledge. Indeed, I would say I am certain that gods don&#039;t exist, but I would never claim I &lt;strong&gt;know&lt;/strong&gt; gods don&#039;t exist.

Gnostic atheism puts forward the suggestion that concepts like gods can be disproven, or that they have been disproved already. Since the whole God concept has been placed out of reach (and given higher-than-thy attributes), it is illogical to claim that such a being definitely does not exist.

Put simply, the gnostic atheist claims that they know about things about this universe that have been bickered over for countless years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@annavhutchinson</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t refer to this as gnostic atheism. Certainty has nothing to do with knowledge. Indeed, I would say I am certain that gods don&#8217;t exist, but I would never claim I <strong>know</strong> gods don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Gnostic atheism puts forward the suggestion that concepts like gods can be disproven, or that they have been disproved already. Since the whole God concept has been placed out of reach (and given higher-than-thy attributes), it is illogical to claim that such a being definitely does not exist.</p>
<p>Put simply, the gnostic atheist claims that they know about things about this universe that have been bickered over for countless years.</p>
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		<title>By: annavhutchinson</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/23/what-is-agnosticism/comment-page-1/#comment-4176</link>
		<dc:creator>annavhutchinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the post, and the chart is a nice touch. However, I - like others who have commented - take issue with the idea that to be a &quot;gnostic atheist&quot; is to be irrational, largely because I do not consider lack of proof for a negative to be problematic in the same way as lack of proof for a positive.

As an atheist, I am asserting that there is no rational reason to believe in God/gods because there has yet to be any viable proof positive. It is less that I am 100% certain that there is no God or gods, and more that I am 100% certain that there has yet to be compelling evidence to the contrary.

I would argue that this is significantly different from agnosticism, in which lack of proof positive and lack of proof negative are given equal credence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the post, and the chart is a nice touch. However, I &#8211; like others who have commented &#8211; take issue with the idea that to be a &#8220;gnostic atheist&#8221; is to be irrational, largely because I do not consider lack of proof for a negative to be problematic in the same way as lack of proof for a positive.</p>
<p>As an atheist, I am asserting that there is no rational reason to believe in God/gods because there has yet to be any viable proof positive. It is less that I am 100% certain that there is no God or gods, and more that I am 100% certain that there has yet to be compelling evidence to the contrary.</p>
<p>I would argue that this is significantly different from agnosticism, in which lack of proof positive and lack of proof negative are given equal credence.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &quot;theory of knowledge&quot; exactly? Agnosticism about issues like God relies on philosophical knowledge, something which is still debated about. Most people agree that it can be seen as &quot;justified belief&quot; based on reason / rationality, others disagree. What is clear though, is that agnosticism is not an answer to the &quot;Do you believe in God&quot; question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What &#8220;theory of knowledge&#8221; exactly? Agnosticism about issues like God relies on philosophical knowledge, something which is still debated about. Most people agree that it can be seen as &#8220;justified belief&#8221; based on reason / rationality, others disagree. What is clear though, is that agnosticism is not an answer to the &#8220;Do you believe in God&#8221; question.</p>
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		<title>By: bob Jobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob Jobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your theory of knowledge is entirely ignorant. If one were to require certainty to call anything knowledge then you&#039;d end up not knowing anything at all. It is clear then, that what you call knowledge is something else entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your theory of knowledge is entirely ignorant. If one were to require certainty to call anything knowledge then you&#8217;d end up not knowing anything at all. It is clear then, that what you call knowledge is something else entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: What To Do About Bill Maher - The Atheist Blogger</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/23/what-is-agnosticism/comment-page-1/#comment-4149</link>
		<dc:creator>What To Do About Bill Maher - The Atheist Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and I have no problem with him claiming that. I don&#8217;t exactly agree with his definition of that either, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to change anytime [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and I have no problem with him claiming that. I don&#8217;t exactly agree with his definition of that either, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to change anytime [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Socrazy Gadfly - The Atheist Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrazy Gadfly - The Atheist Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ergo, if you believe in God, you can be agnostic about it if you don&#8217;t claim absolute knowledge of God. These types of people are referred to as agnostic theists or agnostic deists. I&#8217;ve covered them before in my article about agnosticism. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ergo, if you believe in God, you can be agnostic about it if you don&#8217;t claim absolute knowledge of God. These types of people are referred to as agnostic theists or agnostic deists. I&#8217;ve covered them before in my article about agnosticism. [...]</p>
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