More Conversations With The Deluded
A few days ago I published some quotes from a Muslim who has contacted me to try and convert me away from atheism. I’ve continued the conversation with him just to see where it goes next, and in all honesty it is pretty entertaining. Every time I try to end it, he just says something even more outrageous that I feel compelled to email back and get him to explain his views. So again, for your enjoyment, the deluded stylings of Abu:
If human evolution was taking place why fir example haven’t the people of Antarctica (eskimos) over a thousands of years evolved by growing body hair like the polar bears so it naturally keeps them warm.
Erm…because they already had clothes to keep them warm? Since short-haired Eskimos don’t die out there isn’t an over-abundance of long-haired genes going around the Eskimo community. I guess we’d better demand they all live naked from now on and see what happens a million years down the line…perhaps not.
Science is concrete evidence whilst a theory is just a theory open to opinions. So please let me differentiate the difference between science and scientific theory because homosexuality, darwins (human) theory are scientific THEORIES.
Yet another misunderstanding of the difference between scientific theory and scientific fact. Scientific fact is an observation that we know happens (i.e. Evolution), scientific theory is our understanding of that fact (i.e.Theory of Evolution). A theory isn’t open to any opinions at all. People might like or hate a theory, but that doesn’t have any affect on whether it is true or not…
Also, I love how homosexuality is now a theory. That’s a big blow to the gay community…”I’m sorry guys, but you can’t PROVE you really are gay…”
You don’t seem to the bit knowledgeable on science.
This coming from the guy who claims he got an “A” in science at G.C.S.E and yet makes such claims as “the planets are floating” and “scientists have proved the soul exists”. It’s remarkable he knows how to send an email let alone switch on his computer.
For example their aren’t two scientific school of thoughts on how rain forms. Now this is a fact. Therefore human evolution can’t be a scuence as their us an alternative opinion.
I don’t know about that. I personally think rain is the tears of the Flying Spaghetti Monster who is crying as he looks down at a increasingly non-pirate world. We can perform a test to prove this as well; simply get everyone in the world to dress up as a pirate and let the ensuing drought kill all life…then again perhaps not.
As I pointed out earlier, just because someone has a negative opinion on Evolution doesn’t mean it’s not true. That’s like me saying that since I don’t like the theory of gravity I can fly like a bird.
The ancient homosexuals were not homosexuals as we know of them today. They preferred men for sexual pleasure bit still obliged to their duty of satisfying women and producing offspring.
I made the point about homosexuality not being a recent social phenomenon and he responded with this. As far as I know, there are quite a few homosexuals who prefer men for sexual pleasure and yet still marry and have children because they believe in family. How exactly is this any different?
Our earth is perfect in the fact that the earth has two contradicting extreme temperatures on the earth from the extreme cold of Russia and the north pole to the warmth of
the equator influenced countries. Therefore we couldn’t survive in Venus eventhough it was a a few million km away ad the warmer climate would not allow the pkanet to neutralise with any cooler elements. Therefore humans or life in general (plants etc) would not survive.
Some of you might be aware of the so called “habitable zone” of our solar system which encompasses a large area and includes Earth. It is the reason why this planet can support life. There is a general concensus among scientists that since Venus is roughly the same size as Earth, if it were further away from the Sun and within the habitable zone, it would have spawned life. In fact there is evidence to suggest that billions of years ago Venus may have been a hospitable world when our Sun was much younger and the atmosphere was more suited.
Of course Abu thinks that only Earth has North and South poles, and extreme conditions even though these depend on the curvature of the Earth and the tilt of it’s axis. Like most planets, Venus is tilted on it’s axis (by about half the amount Earth is) and so temperatures do vary.
Is it rational to perform sex which if you analse to its bare bones it is actually a lewd act. Is that irrational.
Since when did our method of reproduction become a lewd act? I obviously missed that announcement. I reckon he’s correct though; people who have his beliefs should be encouraged not to breed…it would be better for the rest of humanity.
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Can I just add that “Eskimos” aka Inuit peoples don’t live in Antarctica. Only research scientists live there.
I hope that he put more research into the rest of his points which I have yet to read.
Vellvoot
17 Jun 08 at 9:47 pm (GMT)
Our hearts are tilted 23 degrees like the earths. Everywhere there is energy there is life and energy is everywhere, just different frequencies and octaves.
Doris Tracey
17 Jun 08 at 11:07 pm (GMT)
I think the shakers have (had?) the right idea. And not about shaking or mouthing gibberish…
nullifidian
17 Jun 08 at 11:08 pm (GMT)
Vellvoot,
Yeah, I mentioned that to him. He ignored it. :P
Adrian Hayter
17 Jun 08 at 11:13 pm (GMT)
You’re friend (?) doesn’t appear to grasp that the goal of science is to understand, and that the product of that pursuit are science’s theories ;-)
Ben Abbott
18 Jun 08 at 12:57 pm (GMT)
Ben Abbott,
He’s certainly not my friend. He started emailing me reckoning he could convert me with some simple proofs of God. Of course he pretty much used the standard arguments, and when I debunked them he started insulting me randomly.
I’m open to any attempts to convert me since I’m a very open minded person, but I don’t accept people imposing their view on me through petty insults.
Adrian Hayter
19 Jun 08 at 8:51 pm (GMT)
you know people lie you crack me up you call yourselves free thinkers yet you debunk the idea of intelligent design preferring to pedal sum unproven theory of humans crawling outta the oceans preferring to make science your god your a laugh where do you think einstien formulated his eqation emc2 sqared from darwin???
nuku haddon
22 Jun 08 at 4:06 am (GMT)
nuku,
There is no theory that states humans crawled out of the oceans. Neither is Darwin’s theory of Evolution the current accepted theory (many major modifications have been make in light of evidence). I have no idea why you would even mention e=mc2 coming from Darwin…
Adrian Hayter
22 Jun 08 at 8:32 am (GMT)
nuku: “you know people lie you crack me up you call yourselves free thinkers yet you debunk the idea of intelligent design.”
If pointing out the ID is not scientific is “debunk”ing, so be it.
nuku: “… preferring to pedal sum unproven theory …”
Theories are *never* proven. Theories are conceptual and * testable* constructs which explain/model/predict *how* stuff works.
“Germ theory” explains how people get colds. The “theory of gravity” explains how apples fall from tress. “Evolutionary theory” explains how life evolved.
nuku: “… humans crawling outta the oceans preferring to make science your god …”
Science has no position on god. If there is any relation, science might be described as an evidential method seeking to understand *how* god’s creation works. If there is a side of this debate which rejects god is it lies with those who reject God’s evidence in favor of their imaginations.
nuku: “… where do you think einstien formulated his eqation emc2 [squared’ from darwin???”
His formulation followed and follows from a conceptual extension of observations. If Einstein and Darwin share a common link, it is in how far they were able to conceptual extend what they observed.
Ben Abbott
22 Jun 08 at 4:54 pm (GMT)