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		<title>By: Indian Witness</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/12/eucharist-miracles-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-4820</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian Witness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please go to a place called tabor ashram at kalyan near mumbai, India. it was jesus who blessed the consecration of bread and wie by shedding blood in the front of a large group. the cloth, the chalice where wine turned into blood is preserved. you could check this on &lt;a href="http://www.taborashram.org" target="_blank"&gt;www.taborashram.org&lt;/a&gt;. Notte this was a recent miracle. May God bless you and I pray that he enlightens you. Amen </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please go to a place called tabor ashram at kalyan near mumbai, India. it was jesus who blessed the consecration of bread and wie by shedding blood in the front of a large group. the cloth, the chalice where wine turned into blood is preserved. you could check this on <a href="http://www.taborashram.org" target="_blank">http://www.taborashram.org</a>. Notte this was a recent miracle. May God bless you and I pray that he enlightens you. Amen</p>
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		<title>By: Witnessing Christ</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/12/eucharist-miracles-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-4819</link>
		<dc:creator>Witnessing Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please go to a place called tabor ashram at kalyan near mumbai. it was jesus who blessed the consecration of bread and wie by shedding blood in the front of a large group. the cloth, the chalice where wine turned into blood is preserved. you could check this on &lt;a href="http://www.taborashram.org" target="_blank"&gt;www.taborashram.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please go to a place called tabor ashram at kalyan near mumbai. it was jesus who blessed the consecration of bread and wie by shedding blood in the front of a large group. the cloth, the chalice where wine turned into blood is preserved. you could check this on <a href="http://www.taborashram.org" target="_blank">http://www.taborashram.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/12/eucharist-miracles-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-4288</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Benjamin

Anything I wrote would be a repeat of other debunkings of the "miracle". Here are a few for your reading:

&lt;a href="http://arumanchan.blogspot.com/2008/08/eucharist-miracles-miracle-of-lanciano.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://arumanchan.blogspot.com/2008/08/eucharist-miracles-miracle-of-lanciano.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080823075211AA7tIya" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080823075211AA7tIya&lt;/a&gt; (More discussion / raising questions than debunking)

&lt;a href="http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-247579.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-247579.html&lt;/a&gt;

Of course I'd be very willing to discuss any questions you have about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Benjamin</p>
<p>Anything I wrote would be a repeat of other debunkings of the &#8220;miracle&#8221;. Here are a few for your reading:</p>
<p><a href="http://arumanchan.blogspot.com/2008/08/eucharist-miracles-miracle-of-lanciano.html" rel="nofollow">http://arumanchan.blogspot.com/2008/08/eucharist-miracles-miracle-of-lanciano.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080823075211AA7tIya" rel="nofollow">http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080823075211AA7tIya</a> (More discussion / raising questions than debunking)</p>
<p><a href="http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-247579.html" rel="nofollow">http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-247579.html</a></p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;d be very willing to discuss any questions you have about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/12/eucharist-miracles-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-4286</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Garrett,

Well I would do that but I’ve never actually heard of it happening. If you find me an instance of it happening I’d gladly try and debunk it."

Im still waiting you to "debunk it" buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Garrett,</p>
<p>Well I would do that but I’ve never actually heard of it happening. If you find me an instance of it happening I’d gladly try and debunk it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Im still waiting you to &#8220;debunk it&#8221; buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: bipolar2</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/12/eucharist-miracles-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-3138</link>
		<dc:creator>bipolar2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>** hocus pocus -- magical misery tour **

The stock  magicians' formula is an old parody of the Latin phrase "hoc est corpus" for 'this is god’s body' said at the elevation of a wafer (the host) at mass.

RCs by the millions still accept late hellenistic magical texts as sacred. And you thought theurgy -- summoning a god’s presence and forcing “him” to act through incantations -- had died out.

You simply cannot desecrate what is not sacred in the first place. Ods bodkins! But now, I’m begging the question whether “god’s little bodies” are just completely non-nutritious substitutes for the old agapé fest. It’ll take more than Aquinas’ gloss on The Philosopher’s dead metaphysics to make theurgy plausible.

If you can believe the dogma of transubstantiation; then you can believe anything the Magisterium demands. The RC's dogmata on abortion and stem cell research are on a par with papal infallibility and the redemptive value of suffering. One authoritative irrationality is as sound as another. 

Well, as ex-RC Luther said, “Reason is the devil’s whore.” And Paul of Tarsus, never one to be shy, puts xian revenge seeking high on his list of nihilistic values:

27-But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28-He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are . . . . 1Cor1:26-28 NIV

OK, so Paul was the laughingstock of Athens on the day he tried to convince the Epicureans and Stoics that they were sinners in the hands of angry god.

Old grudges against skepticism and science apparently still justify a holy xian fatwah. As the crusade against PZ Myers proves -- he at least is on the correct side of the barricades.

bipolar2 ©2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>** hocus pocus &#8212; magical misery tour **</p>
<p>The stock  magicians&#8217; formula is an old parody of the Latin phrase &#8220;hoc est corpus&#8221; for &#8216;this is god’s body&#8217; said at the elevation of a wafer (the host) at mass.</p>
<p>RCs by the millions still accept late hellenistic magical texts as sacred. And you thought theurgy &#8212; summoning a god’s presence and forcing “him” to act through incantations &#8212; had died out.</p>
<p>You simply cannot desecrate what is not sacred in the first place. Ods bodkins! But now, I’m begging the question whether “god’s little bodies” are just completely non-nutritious substitutes for the old agapé fest. It’ll take more than Aquinas’ gloss on The Philosopher’s dead metaphysics to make theurgy plausible.</p>
<p>If you can believe the dogma of transubstantiation; then you can believe anything the Magisterium demands. The RC&#8217;s dogmata on abortion and stem cell research are on a par with papal infallibility and the redemptive value of suffering. One authoritative irrationality is as sound as another. </p>
<p>Well, as ex-RC Luther said, “Reason is the devil’s whore.” And Paul of Tarsus, never one to be shy, puts xian revenge seeking high on his list of nihilistic values:</p>
<p>27-But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28-He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are . . . . 1Cor1:26-28 NIV</p>
<p>OK, so Paul was the laughingstock of Athens on the day he tried to convince the Epicureans and Stoics that they were sinners in the hands of angry god.</p>
<p>Old grudges against skepticism and science apparently still justify a holy xian fatwah. As the crusade against PZ Myers proves &#8212; he at least is on the correct side of the barricades.</p>
<p>bipolar2 ©2008</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo da C.Souza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo da C.Souza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we should be careful with the use of the word "miracle". St.Augustine would say that the whole Universe is a miracle! Yes. But we are using the word in a specific way: the Eucharistic miracle shows us that really what we believe is true. The Risen Lord is present in the bread and wine. This is not cannibalism, because it is the glorified Lord present in the bread. How else could we believe that the same Jesus is present there? We do not need miracles, since we trust the Lord and his life-giving words. 
Jesus performed miracles. The Gospels witness to them. The people never denied that Jesus cured instantaneously the lepers. They were eye-witnesses.
There are miracles even today. They are not feats of magic and power, but signs of faith. We believe in healings and miracles, but also in the redemptive value of suffering.
We believe in God and his power from the Christian Revelation. We respect the atheists, but they just believe that there is no God...
Dr.Ivo da C.Souza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we should be careful with the use of the word &#8220;miracle&#8221;. St.Augustine would say that the whole Universe is a miracle! Yes. But we are using the word in a specific way: the Eucharistic miracle shows us that really what we believe is true. The Risen Lord is present in the bread and wine. This is not cannibalism, because it is the glorified Lord present in the bread. How else could we believe that the same Jesus is present there? We do not need miracles, since we trust the Lord and his life-giving words.<br />
Jesus performed miracles. The Gospels witness to them. The people never denied that Jesus cured instantaneously the lepers. They were eye-witnesses.<br />
There are miracles even today. They are not feats of magic and power, but signs of faith. We believe in healings and miracles, but also in the redemptive value of suffering.<br />
We believe in God and his power from the Christian Revelation. We respect the atheists, but they just believe that there is no God&#8230;<br />
Dr.Ivo da C.Souza</p>
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		<title>By: Kaltrosomos</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/12/eucharist-miracles-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-2728</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaltrosomos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you which blog the comments came from, because I was one of the atheist commentors.  

That's from St. Mark Shea's blog, "Catholic and enjoying it!"  But no.  He's not really a saint, though I'm going to call him that from now on since he acts like he gets infallible information from his divine pipelines, Jesus and the church.  

You can find it pretty easily by typing "mark shea" into Google.  

He banned me a couple days ago.  After saying I had too much pride and should come back when I could stand having my arguments refuted.  

I wonder If I'm the only one who feels like he didn't really refute the arguments that well, rather than pontificate on the issues without proving anything?

Something I notice with him, and with many of the commentors, is that they make all these tangled logical webs to justify things.  Bread looks like bread, but isn't bread. Only, it differs from bread in a way invisible to our senses.  Stuff like that. They even went so far as to say that it differs from bread for a fifteen minute period, during the Mass.  That way, Jesus doesn't regularly get digested and excreted.  Since they do claim that the bread is *literally*, though also invisibly, the body and blood, soul and spirit, of the risen Jesus.  I had commented before that if Jesus did remain present in the bread on it's entire trip through the body, Catholics would be turning Jesus into shit every Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you which blog the comments came from, because I was one of the atheist commentors.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s from St. Mark Shea&#8217;s blog, &#8220;Catholic and enjoying it!&#8221;  But no.  He&#8217;s not really a saint, though I&#8217;m going to call him that from now on since he acts like he gets infallible information from his divine pipelines, Jesus and the church.  </p>
<p>You can find it pretty easily by typing &#8220;mark shea&#8221; into Google.  </p>
<p>He banned me a couple days ago.  After saying I had too much pride and should come back when I could stand having my arguments refuted.  </p>
<p>I wonder If I&#8217;m the only one who feels like he didn&#8217;t really refute the arguments that well, rather than pontificate on the issues without proving anything?</p>
<p>Something I notice with him, and with many of the commentors, is that they make all these tangled logical webs to justify things.  Bread looks like bread, but isn&#8217;t bread. Only, it differs from bread in a way invisible to our senses.  Stuff like that. They even went so far as to say that it differs from bread for a fifteen minute period, during the Mass.  That way, Jesus doesn&#8217;t regularly get digested and excreted.  Since they do claim that the bread is *literally*, though also invisibly, the body and blood, soul and spirit, of the risen Jesus.  I had commented before that if Jesus did remain present in the bread on it&#8217;s entire trip through the body, Catholics would be turning Jesus into shit every Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/12/eucharist-miracles-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-2597</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the Wikipedia page on eucharistic miracles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle

The prominent one, the miracle of Lanciano, which occurred in 700 AD, still exists today and has been tested in the early 1970's by two Italian scientists.  Anyways...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the Wikipedia page on eucharistic miracles: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle</a></p>
<p>The prominent one, the miracle of Lanciano, which occurred in 700 AD, still exists today and has been tested in the early 1970&#8217;s by two Italian scientists.  Anyways&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Somnambulator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somnambulator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a coincidence, I'm just about to start the MiraclePebble™ diet.
That's the one where I find a pebble and, through blessing it, it becomes a three course roast dinner, BUT with MiraclePebble™ technology it still looks and tastes and hurts JUST LIKE A REAL PEBBLE.

The secret is that I KNOW it was really a three course roast dinner that I just swallowed.

I'm so excited about all the weight and brain cells I'm losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a coincidence, I&#8217;m just about to start the MiraclePebble™ diet.<br />
That&#8217;s the one where I find a pebble and, through blessing it, it becomes a three course roast dinner, BUT with MiraclePebble™ technology it still looks and tastes and hurts JUST LIKE A REAL PEBBLE.</p>
<p>The secret is that I KNOW it was really a three course roast dinner that I just swallowed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so excited about all the weight and brain cells I&#8217;m losing.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garrett,

Well I would do that but I've never actually heard of it happening. If you find me an instance of it happening I'd gladly try and debunk it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garrett,</p>
<p>Well I would do that but I&#8217;ve never actually heard of it happening. If you find me an instance of it happening I&#8217;d gladly try and debunk it.</p>
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