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		<title>By: Ewan Marshall</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-4298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As admin and owner of this site it is Adrian's right to delete comments and even ban if he feels like it (and as server admin I get same rights across several sites hosted of the server).
Now very rarely does either of use do either, in fact I don't think we ever have.

As for SU, they have there own protection system, there own admin's and it is there job to give warnings and ban accounts as they wish. Stop trying to do it for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As admin and owner of this site it is Adrian&#8217;s right to delete comments and even ban if he feels like it (and as server admin I get same rights across several sites hosted of the server).<br />
Now very rarely does either of use do either, in fact I don&#8217;t think we ever have.</p>
<p>As for SU, they have there own protection system, there own admin&#8217;s and it is there job to give warnings and ban accounts as they wish. Stop trying to do it for them.</p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, and your ridiculous and pitiful attempt to make Adrian look bad by saying he's deleting your comments makes it all the more funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and your ridiculous and pitiful attempt to make Adrian look bad by saying he&#8217;s deleting your comments makes it all the more funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3649</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Taking away my comments, eh?
I understand that you made a total fool of yourself when you threatened to report my banned account to SU staff for ToS violations, but censoring my response to your silliness?

That´s very “authoritarian” of you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I have done no such thing. I wouldn't remove comments that myself and other people found hilarious and amusing. Your comments are all there, so please stop being an annoyance and go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Taking away my comments, eh?<br />
I understand that you made a total fool of yourself when you threatened to report my banned account to SU staff for ToS violations, but censoring my response to your silliness?</p>
<p>That´s very “authoritarian” of you.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have done no such thing. I wouldn&#8217;t remove comments that myself and other people found hilarious and amusing. Your comments are all there, so please stop being an annoyance and go away.</p>
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		<title>By: ThungurKnifur</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3646</link>
		<dc:creator>ThungurKnifur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You chickenshit splogger bastard!

Taking away my comments, eh?
I understand that you made a total fool of yourself when you threatened to report my banned account to SU staff for ToS violations, but censoring my response to your silliness?

That´s very "authoritarian" of you.

Well fuck you too!

Unsincerely with no respect

ThungurKnifur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You chickenshit splogger bastard!</p>
<p>Taking away my comments, eh?<br />
I understand that you made a total fool of yourself when you threatened to report my banned account to SU staff for ToS violations, but censoring my response to your silliness?</p>
<p>That´s very &#8220;authoritarian&#8221; of you.</p>
<p>Well fuck you too!</p>
<p>Unsincerely with no respect</p>
<p>ThungurKnifur</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3549</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't divulged my SU handle because I have deduced from your rantings here that the first thing you would do would be to rally your "anti-blogger" buddies and rate down all my submissions.

As pointed out to you before, you can easily figure out which is my handle for yourself. I'm not inviting an attack though. I'm not that stupid.

You seem to spend a lot of time messing up SU's ranking system by ranking down sites purely on the basis that "the guy who wrote this submitted it", so why can't you spend the same time simply figuring out my username?

So yes, I do have something to lose. If I gave you my handle and you reported me to SU, they wouldn't care, because I haven't broken their policy . What would happen would be that all my submissions would be ranked down by an army of idiots who think they can rule SU as a vigilante mob.

I personally think you are just trying to get my handle so you can get your cronies to rate my user page down, send me spam hate messages, and generally be an annoyance. I promise you, when that happens I will contact the proper authority at SU and get you dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t divulged my SU handle because I have deduced from your rantings here that the first thing you would do would be to rally your &#8220;anti-blogger&#8221; buddies and rate down all my submissions.</p>
<p>As pointed out to you before, you can easily figure out which is my handle for yourself. I&#8217;m not inviting an attack though. I&#8217;m not that stupid.</p>
<p>You seem to spend a lot of time messing up SU&#8217;s ranking system by ranking down sites purely on the basis that &#8220;the guy who wrote this submitted it&#8221;, so why can&#8217;t you spend the same time simply figuring out my username?</p>
<p>So yes, I do have something to lose. If I gave you my handle and you reported me to SU, they wouldn&#8217;t care, because I haven&#8217;t broken their policy . What would happen would be that all my submissions would be ranked down by an army of idiots who think they can rule SU as a vigilante mob.</p>
<p>I personally think you are just trying to get my handle so you can get your cronies to rate my user page down, send me spam hate messages, and generally be an annoyance. I promise you, when that happens I will contact the proper authority at SU and get you dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: ThungurKnifur</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>ThungurKnifur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be insane, but you still haven't divulged your SU handle, and yet you claim that "SU have approved" you submitting your own site.

I think you're full of shit mate.

And I think the reason you wont give me your nick is that you know that what you do is despised and frankly hated on StumbleUpon, but you want the traffic anyways and try to stay under the radar of the SU spam patrol (and I'm not talking about the grossly incompetent staff).

And I'm not rewriting the rules, it's just that lazy fuck Barry Conway who either doesn't give a shit or is paid to keep the spammers safe and silence the opposing voices.

So are you gonna give me your handle, or will I have to create a SU account JUST to check out who submitted your splog the most?

If no, then you're not only a splogger cunt, you are also a chickenshit little fucking pussy too.

Come on, if you REALLY believe the bullshit you're feeding me you've got nothing to loose... 
You claim that the SU staff approved your submissions and the SU users liked it, so what's keeping you?
Huh?

Cheers!
Thungur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be insane, but you still haven&#8217;t divulged your SU handle, and yet you claim that &#8220;SU have approved&#8221; you submitting your own site.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re full of shit mate.</p>
<p>And I think the reason you wont give me your nick is that you know that what you do is despised and frankly hated on StumbleUpon, but you want the traffic anyways and try to stay under the radar of the SU spam patrol (and I&#8217;m not talking about the grossly incompetent staff).</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not rewriting the rules, it&#8217;s just that lazy fuck Barry Conway who either doesn&#8217;t give a shit or is paid to keep the spammers safe and silence the opposing voices.</p>
<p>So are you gonna give me your handle, or will I have to create a SU account JUST to check out who submitted your splog the most?</p>
<p>If no, then you&#8217;re not only a splogger cunt, you are also a chickenshit little fucking pussy too.</p>
<p>Come on, if you REALLY believe the bullshit you&#8217;re feeding me you&#8217;ve got nothing to loose&#8230;<br />
You claim that the SU staff approved your submissions and the SU users liked it, so what&#8217;s keeping you?<br />
Huh?</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
Thungur</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3544</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are insane. I have already told you how submitting your own content &lt;strong&gt;is not&lt;/strong&gt; against the ToS, and SU have approved my use of it, provided I submit other sites along with my own.

So for you to go on and on about how I somehow broke the ToS and how every blogger should be banned is ridiculous. Your constant rating down of people's sites is nothing short of trolling, which thankfully SU don't like either.

For some reason you think you can run SU better than the people who already do it, and have set out to rewrite the rules so that you can get rid of the people who you seem to hate. SU is a place to share websites. If people don't like the website, they rate it down, simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are insane. I have already told you how submitting your own content <strong>is not</strong> against the ToS, and SU have approved my use of it, provided I submit other sites along with my own.</p>
<p>So for you to go on and on about how I somehow broke the ToS and how every blogger should be banned is ridiculous. Your constant rating down of people&#8217;s sites is nothing short of trolling, which thankfully SU don&#8217;t like either.</p>
<p>For some reason you think you can run SU better than the people who already do it, and have set out to rewrite the rules so that you can get rid of the people who you seem to hate. SU is a place to share websites. If people don&#8217;t like the website, they rate it down, simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: ThungurKnifur</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3533</link>
		<dc:creator>ThungurKnifur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@db0:

No, I don't use any fucking scripts, it was all manual labor.
I usually stumbled across some shoddy post and looked at who submitted it, checked that persons SU profile to check if they submitted more from the same shoddy site.
And usually they did.

And no, my ToS violations didn't "backfire", I knew all along that I could get banned at any time.
But  I thought it would be worth it, if just SU would take notice of the VAST amounts of splogs and blogs that get submitted by the author and then thumbed up by his cronies (and shadow accounts).

Let me tell you about SU mechanism for weeding out splogs:
IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK AT ALL!

Simply because SEO's, spammers and sploggers use shadow accounts (accounts created to boost the original submission), SU exchange (trading thumbs up amongst themselves) and the fact that Barry Conway (the guy supposedly in charge of ToS violations) seem to be bribed by the SEÒ mafia (he only bans us who use profanities against spammers, NOT the spammers themselves).

And yes I was kicked out from SU because i violated the ToS (and that's OK), but why are the spammer cunts who I so vehemently opposed still there?
What is the greater violation, sumbitting junk which wastes hundreds (if not thousands) of peoples precious time, or calling the bastard who keeps submitting the shit a spammer cunt?
I can figure what your answer's gonna be, but I sure as hell don't agree.

Your last sentence makes no sense, feel free to enlighten me:
"but unless one has READERS outside SU, then if the AUTHOR does not submit something, noone will."

***********************************

@Adrian:
I really don't give a shit if your articles were popular on SU.

The reason I wrote the first post was because I saw you blatantly admit to gaming the SU system, and even have the gall to bitch about how it didn't work.

I absolutely loathe people like you, who view StumbleUpon as just another propagation site for you to use on your way to blogosphere stardom (hahahaha!).

And since SU has deprived me of any means to criticize you there, I go straight to the root of the problem, ie. YOU!

I understand you have some uncontrollable need for approval, and that this site is your only way to try to get that.

I really believe that you bloggers are the scum of the earth, you have absolutely NOTHING new to say, just keep rehashing the same old tired arguments/stories/rumors/facts that have already been argued/told/spread/proved a million fucking times before.

But your egos don't give a fuck about that, the important thing is the YOU have YOUR share of fame (muahahaha!) and get to state YOUR opinion, fuck anyone who objects.

And I think that people like you should go fuck yourselves, all you "readership whores" (your words, not mine....lol).

And that's my $0.02

Cheers!
Thungur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@db0:</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t use any fucking scripts, it was all manual labor.<br />
I usually stumbled across some shoddy post and looked at who submitted it, checked that persons SU profile to check if they submitted more from the same shoddy site.<br />
And usually they did.</p>
<p>And no, my ToS violations didn&#8217;t &#8220;backfire&#8221;, I knew all along that I could get banned at any time.<br />
But  I thought it would be worth it, if just SU would take notice of the VAST amounts of splogs and blogs that get submitted by the author and then thumbed up by his cronies (and shadow accounts).</p>
<p>Let me tell you about SU mechanism for weeding out splogs:<br />
IT DOESN&#8217;T FUCKING WORK AT ALL!</p>
<p>Simply because SEO&#8217;s, spammers and sploggers use shadow accounts (accounts created to boost the original submission), SU exchange (trading thumbs up amongst themselves) and the fact that Barry Conway (the guy supposedly in charge of ToS violations) seem to be bribed by the SEÒ mafia (he only bans us who use profanities against spammers, NOT the spammers themselves).</p>
<p>And yes I was kicked out from SU because i violated the ToS (and that&#8217;s OK), but why are the spammer cunts who I so vehemently opposed still there?<br />
What is the greater violation, sumbitting junk which wastes hundreds (if not thousands) of peoples precious time, or calling the bastard who keeps submitting the shit a spammer cunt?<br />
I can figure what your answer&#8217;s gonna be, but I sure as hell don&#8217;t agree.</p>
<p>Your last sentence makes no sense, feel free to enlighten me:<br />
&#8220;but unless one has READERS outside SU, then if the AUTHOR does not submit something, noone will.&#8221;</p>
<p>***********************************</p>
<p>@Adrian:<br />
I really don&#8217;t give a shit if your articles were popular on SU.</p>
<p>The reason I wrote the first post was because I saw you blatantly admit to gaming the SU system, and even have the gall to bitch about how it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>I absolutely loathe people like you, who view StumbleUpon as just another propagation site for you to use on your way to blogosphere stardom (hahahaha!).</p>
<p>And since SU has deprived me of any means to criticize you there, I go straight to the root of the problem, ie. YOU!</p>
<p>I understand you have some uncontrollable need for approval, and that this site is your only way to try to get that.</p>
<p>I really believe that you bloggers are the scum of the earth, you have absolutely NOTHING new to say, just keep rehashing the same old tired arguments/stories/rumors/facts that have already been argued/told/spread/proved a million fucking times before.</p>
<p>But your egos don&#8217;t give a fuck about that, the important thing is the YOU have YOUR share of fame (muahahaha!) and get to state YOUR opinion, fuck anyone who objects.</p>
<p>And I think that people like you should go fuck yourselves, all you &#8220;readership whores&#8221; (your words, not mine&#8230;.lol).</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s my $0.02</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
Thungur</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2008/08/25/reddit-readership/comment-page-1/#comment-3514</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Then what the hell is it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A hobby, a place for me to write without being censored. If people like what I write, they can subscribe. What I do is free, they have no power over anything on the blog, and they are not paying me any money to read it. It is neither a service nor a product.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t you get the difference between a submission based on quality and one based on your need for money/fame/whateverthehellitisyouwant???&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I do indeed get the difference. However, the SU system is hardly one that simply throws random pages at people. In fact, a page is chosen based on your preferences, if you friends voted it up, and on the "rank" of the page itself. Thumbed down pages on SU do not get shown often.

It seems strange then, that every single page I have submitted to SU has got a large number of votes. Evidently people like my content, and it is not "spam".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then what the hell is it?</p></blockquote>
<p>A hobby, a place for me to write without being censored. If people like what I write, they can subscribe. What I do is free, they have no power over anything on the blog, and they are not paying me any money to read it. It is neither a service nor a product.</p>
<blockquote><p>Don’t you get the difference between a submission based on quality and one based on your need for money/fame/whateverthehellitisyouwant???</p></blockquote>
<p>I do indeed get the difference. However, the SU system is hardly one that simply throws random pages at people. In fact, a page is chosen based on your preferences, if you friends voted it up, and on the &#8220;rank&#8221; of the page itself. Thumbed down pages on SU do not get shown often.</p>
<p>It seems strange then, that every single page I have submitted to SU has got a large number of votes. Evidently people like my content, and it is not &#8220;spam&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me get this straight, your little attempt at vigilantism (I guess by using scripts to scrape SU and triangulate whom you call "sploggers" and then annoy them) backfired and now you have the gall to accuse others of abusing SU TOS? 
You were banned for fuck's sake!


Let me say it again, SU has automatic mechanism to punish sploggers. You vigilantism is not necessary or warranted. You're not the one to judge what is quality or not. If the SU users don't like a page, they don't thumb it up and then it's gone after 100 hits or so. If the same domain keeps getting submitted and never voted up, new hits are stopped from being sent.

So yeah, it IS the READERS who judge ultimately but unless one has READERS outside SU, then if the AUTHOR does not submit something, noone will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this straight, your little attempt at vigilantism (I guess by using scripts to scrape SU and triangulate whom you call &#8220;sploggers&#8221; and then annoy them) backfired and now you have the gall to accuse others of abusing SU TOS?<br />
You were banned for fuck&#8217;s sake!</p>
<p>Let me say it again, SU has automatic mechanism to punish sploggers. You vigilantism is not necessary or warranted. You&#8217;re not the one to judge what is quality or not. If the SU users don&#8217;t like a page, they don&#8217;t thumb it up and then it&#8217;s gone after 100 hits or so. If the same domain keeps getting submitted and never voted up, new hits are stopped from being sent.</p>
<p>So yeah, it IS the READERS who judge ultimately but unless one has READERS outside SU, then if the AUTHOR does not submit something, noone will.</p>
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