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		<title>By: askegg</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2009/01/29/the-endless-loop-of-ray-comforts-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-5052</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure God is possible, just provide some evidence for one.  Seeing as though you also subscribe to Yahweh being this creator, you should also provide evidence that this God was responsible, not one of the thousands of other Gods to choose from. 
 
The big bang DOES NOT describe the beginings of anything - it simply traces the universe back to when it was the Planck length.  While this is incredibly small it is still an entire universe away from being nothing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure God is possible, just provide some evidence for one.  Seeing as though you also subscribe to Yahweh being this creator, you should also provide evidence that this God was responsible, not one of the thousands of other Gods to choose from. </p>
<p>The big bang DOES NOT describe the beginings of anything &#8211; it simply traces the universe back to when it was the Planck length.  While this is incredibly small it is still an entire universe away from being nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: askegg</title>
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		<dc:creator>askegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I was always told by my science teacher that to have a bang you have to have something for it to bang in.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Your science teacher was wrong.  The big bang describes an expansion OF space and time, not IN. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was always told by my science teacher that to have a bang you have to have something for it to bang in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your science teacher was wrong.  The big bang describes an expansion OF space and time, not IN.</p>
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		<title>By: bpabbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpabbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?     
     
I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.     
     
Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of those additional dimensions.     
     
Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects ... think about the entire &lt;i&gt;obserable&lt;/i&gt; universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit ... that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot (at least locally).  
     
The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?     </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.     </p>
<p>Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of those additional dimensions.     </p>
<p>Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects &#8230; think about the entire <i>obserable</i> universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit &#8230; that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot (at least locally).  </p>
<p>The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.</p>
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		<title>By: bpabbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpabbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?    
    
I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.    
    
Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of those additional dimensions.    
    
Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects ... think about the entire &lt;i&gt;obserable&lt;/i&gt; universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit ... that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot (at least locally). 
    
The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.&lt;span class=&quot;idc-clear&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?    </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.    </p>
<p>Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of those additional dimensions.    </p>
<p>Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects &#8230; think about the entire <i>obserable</i> universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit &#8230; that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot (at least locally). </p>
<p>The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.&amp;lt;span class=&quot;idc-clear&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;/span&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: bpabbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpabbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?   
   
I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.   
   
Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of those additional dimensions.   
   
Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects ... think about the entire &lt;i&gt;obserable&lt;/i&gt; universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit ... that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot.   
   
The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.&lt;span class=&quot;idc-clear&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?   </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.   </p>
<p>Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of those additional dimensions.   </p>
<p>Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects &#8230; think about the entire <i>obserable</i> universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit &#8230; that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot.   </p>
<p>The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.&amp;lt;span class=&quot;idc-clear&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;/span&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: bpabbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpabbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?  
  
I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.  
  
Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of these additional dimensions.  
  
Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects ... think about the entire &lt;i&gt;obserable&lt;/i&gt; universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit ... that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot.  
  
The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.&lt;span class=&quot;idc-clear&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding?  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather it is &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;.  </p>
<p>Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of these additional dimensions.  </p>
<p>Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects &#8230; think about the entire <i>obserable</i> universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit &#8230; that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot.  </p>
<p>The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.&lt;span class=&quot;idc-clear&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: bpabbott</title>
		<link>http://atheistblogger.com/2009/01/29/the-endless-loop-of-ray-comforts-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-5036</link>
		<dc:creator>bpabbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding? 
 
I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather is it &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;. 
 
Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of these additional dimensions. 
 
Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects ... think about the entire &lt;i&gt;obserable&lt;/i&gt; universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit ... that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot. 
 
The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, my understanding is that the new super collider is intended to permit experiments that go back a bit before the Big Bang. However, the issue you raise will remain, that being; What may have happened before the reach of human understanding? </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think a proper response is &quot;anything&quot;. Rather is it &quot;we can&#039;t reliably speculate&quot;. </p>
<p>Regarding dimensions, we percieve time and space to be observable. There are some proposed understandings that posit additional dimensions. My understanding is that the meaning of &quot;matter&quot; is profoundly different  in the context of these additional dimensions. </p>
<p>Regarding an infinite regression of events, my understanding is that in the pre-Big Bang universe causality becomes confusing due to the collision of quantum mechanical and relativistic effects &#8230; think about the entire <i>obserable</i> universe being condensed into a volume of a large citrus fruit &#8230; that was the state of things at the moment the Big Bang. There would be no electrons orbiting atomic nuclei. The medium of  &quot;space&quot; in which light will eventually propagate does not yet exist. In this realm the question of what came first; the cause of the effect; is moot. </p>
<p>The short version; the universe we understand was manifested from a prior state undergoing an expansion of space and time. There is no need for a universal origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I am aware, we do not know what was around &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; the Big Bang, so I&#039;m not sure where you are getting the idea that science falls apart before it. If the laws of science are confined to this universe alone, then there would be no reason for them to exist in whatever the universe occupies anyway, and there is certainly no way to prove anything like that. Dimensions are a lot more varied than you lay out, and all we know is that matter exists in 3 dimensions and moves through a 4th (time). There could be many more dimensions though, and certain aspects of physics predict unseen dimensions. Matter doesn&#039;t have to have time to exist because time isn&#039;t a spacial dimension, but of course physicists will tell you that we don&#039;t even know what time is yet. The general consensus is that time started at the Big Bang though. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I am aware, we do not know what was around <em>before</em> the Big Bang, so I&#039;m not sure where you are getting the idea that science falls apart before it. If the laws of science are confined to this universe alone, then there would be no reason for them to exist in whatever the universe occupies anyway, and there is certainly no way to prove anything like that. Dimensions are a lot more varied than you lay out, and all we know is that matter exists in 3 dimensions and moves through a 4th (time). There could be many more dimensions though, and certain aspects of physics predict unseen dimensions. Matter doesn&#039;t have to have time to exist because time isn&#039;t a spacial dimension, but of course physicists will tell you that we don&#039;t even know what time is yet. The general consensus is that time started at the Big Bang though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Yant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Yant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t think they &quot;can be EASILY explained by the universe coming into being all on its own&quot; after all, the laws of science as we know them still fall apart one millisecond before the Big Bang. Don&#039;t you have the same infinity problem though with matter?  Doesn&#039;t matter exist in 4 dimensions, height, width, depth, and time.  For matter to exist at all, doesn&#039;t it have to exist in a moment of time?  Is an ifinite regression of moments possible?     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#039;t think they &quot;can be EASILY explained by the universe coming into being all on its own&quot; after all, the laws of science as we know them still fall apart one millisecond before the Big Bang. Don&#039;t you have the same infinity problem though with matter?  Doesn&#039;t matter exist in 4 dimensions, height, width, depth, and time.  For matter to exist at all, doesn&#039;t it have to exist in a moment of time?  Is an ifinite regression of moments possible?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hayter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am open to belief in God, after all, I used to be a Christian. I am almost constantly re-evaluating my beliefs, but the problem for me is that if there were some form of intelligent creator, it would have to be greater than the universe, and if that is true, then it must have been created (because we said the universe must have been created for the same reasons). If we go down the &quot;complexity means creation&quot; route then what created the complex being God, and what created the being that created God? I cannot believe in things that seem to tend to infinity in a long line of cause and effect, when they can be easily explained by the universe coming into being all on it&#039;s own and creating time with it. There is no need for a &quot;first cause&quot; if time didn&#039;t exist before the Big Bang. The universe created itself and time, and that is how it looks according to the evidence. I am happy to go along with the evidence and remain with questions than to come up with complex arguments that do not make sense to answer them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am open to belief in God, after all, I used to be a Christian. I am almost constantly re-evaluating my beliefs, but the problem for me is that if there were some form of intelligent creator, it would have to be greater than the universe, and if that is true, then it must have been created (because we said the universe must have been created for the same reasons). If we go down the &quot;complexity means creation&quot; route then what created the complex being God, and what created the being that created God? I cannot believe in things that seem to tend to infinity in a long line of cause and effect, when they can be easily explained by the universe coming into being all on it&#039;s own and creating time with it. There is no need for a &quot;first cause&quot; if time didn&#039;t exist before the Big Bang. The universe created itself and time, and that is how it looks according to the evidence. I am happy to go along with the evidence and remain with questions than to come up with complex arguments that do not make sense to answer them.</p>
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