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		<title>YouTube Thursday &#8211; Thunderf00t, Jesse Ventura, &amp; Steven Fry</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Time again for another YouTube Thursday, and we start with 2 videos from YouTube user Thunderf00t; the first is a short but funny comparison of the old VenomFangX and the new VenomFangX (Shawn recently closed his channel due to &#8220;death threats&#8221; and gave it to another creationist). The tag-line is a kicker though: &#8220;Creationism: when [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time again for another <strong>YouTube Thursday</strong>, and we start with 2 videos from YouTube user <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t">Thunderf00t</a>; the first is a short but funny comparison of the old VenomFangX and the new VenomFangX (Shawn recently closed his channel due to &#8220;death threats&#8221; and gave it to another creationist). The tag-line is a kicker though: &#8220;Creationism: when being naturally stupid just isn&#8217;t good enough&#8221;.</p>
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<p>The second video of his is part of the fantastic series &#8220;Why do people laugh at creationists?&#8221;, which involves the elegant destruction of popular creationist arguments. This is part 30, and if you want to see the other 29 (highly recommended) then <a href="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AC3481305829426D">check them out here</a>. In this video, Thunderf00t points out the hypocritical nature of the Discovery Institute, and one of its prominent spokespeople, <span>Casey Luskin.</span></p>
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<p><span>Jesse Ventura (ex-Governor of Minnesota) has been on a campaign recently against waterboarding, and he should know all about it, given that he himself was waterboarded as part of SEREs (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape) training. He says it&#8217;s torture, but Elisabeth Hasselbeck of &#8220;The View&#8221; disagreed with him. Hilarity ensued as Ventura hit back with some great points, ending with the great line<br />
&#8220;You give me a waterboard, one hour, and Dick Cheney and I&#8217;ll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders&#8221;. Jesse Ventura once said of religion &#8220;</span>[it]<a title="Religion" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion"></a> is <a title="Criticism of religion" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_religion">a sham</a> and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people&#8217;s business.&#8221;</p>
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<p><span>Finally, I end with some wise words of wisdom from the legendary Steven Fry. His advice on being happy? <strong>Stop feeling sorry for yourself</strong>.</span></p>
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<h3>Possibly Related Posts:</h3>
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<li><a href="http://atheistblogger.com/2008/06/21/discovery-institute-vs-dawkins/" title="Discovery Institute Vs. Dawkins">Discovery Institute Vs. Dawkins</a></li>
<li><a href="http://atheistblogger.com/2009/07/24/thunderf00t-vs-ray-comfort/" title="Thunderf00t vs. Ray Comfort">Thunderf00t vs. Ray Comfort</a></li>
<li><a href="http://atheistblogger.com/2009/04/07/almost-daily-dose-of-comfort-rays-apology/" title="(Almost) Daily Dose of Comfort -- Ray&#8217;s &#8220;Apology&#8221;">(Almost) Daily Dose of Comfort -- Ray&#8217;s &#8220;Apology&#8221;</a></li>
<li><a href="http://atheistblogger.com/2008/04/25/answering-the-ignorant-evolution/" title="Answering The Ignorant -- Evolution">Answering The Ignorant -- Evolution</a></li>
<li><a href="http://atheistblogger.com/2009/05/26/god-darwin/" title="God &#038; Darwin">God &#038; Darwin</a></li>
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		<title>Discovery Institute Vs. Dawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that the Creationist organisation Discovery Institute is attacking Richard Dawkins over his involvement in the Louisiana &#8220;academic freedom bill&#8221; which allows teachers to discuss theories that oppose Evolution. Simply put, it is allowing Intelligent Design into the classrooms.
The Discovery Institute reported that Barbara Forrest, leader of LA Coalition for Science has written an [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the Creationist organisation Discovery Institute is attacking Richard Dawkins over his involvement in the Louisiana &#8220;academic freedom bill&#8221; which allows teachers to discuss theories that oppose Evolution. Simply put, it is allowing Intelligent Design into the classrooms.</p>
<p>The Discovery Institute <a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/06/should_strident_british_atheis.html">reported</a> that Barbara Forrest, leader of LA Coalition for Science has written an <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/article,2736,We-Urgently-Need-Your-Help-Now,Barbara-Forrest-and-Louisiana-Coalition-for-Science">article</a> on the Richard Dawkins website, pleading people to contact the Louisiana Governor and stop this bill being passed. The Institute rather snobbishly remarked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Newsflash for Richard, weâ€™re not a British colony anymore.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well pointed out, but of course they forget that Richard Dawkins runs <a href="http://richarddawkinsfoundation.org/">The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science</a>, a charity registered in both the UK <strong>and the USA</strong>. They also seemed to overlook the fact that his website isn&#8217;t tied to any specific country and as such has a large majority of American visitors. Forgetting as well that the article in question wasn&#8217;t even written by Dawkins but by a citizen of the United States, and their accusation that Richard Dawkins is somehow trying to &#8220;dictate education policy&#8221; to the U.S falls completely apart.</p>
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<p>The Discovery Institute goes on to claim:</p>
<blockquote><p>As usual, the letter is full of falsehoods.    This bill is not about creationism or religion. Thatâ€™s a red herring from desperate Darwinists.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, the bill isn&#8217;t directly about creationism or religion, but it allows both into the science classrooms. As the D.I point out, &#8220;If a tenth grader can understand arguments for Darwinism, she can understand scientific arguments against it&#8221;. This entire sentence completely contradicts itself. Taking Darwinism to mean &#8220;Evolution&#8221;, there are no scientific arguments against it that have ever been proven or have evidence for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fully in support of people discussing Evolution, but there is no current scientific evidence against it. As some people have pointed out over in the Richard Dawkins forums, &#8220;God did it&#8221; is not a scientific explanation. If someone found some actual evidence that contradicted Evolutionary theory, it would be out of the school before you could click your fingers. Creationists seem to think the scientists hate being wrong and anything that challenges them is to be fought off. This is absolutely absurd. I&#8217;ve met a lot of scientists, and if anything, they are more excited about being proved wrong than they are about being proved right.</p>
<p>Evolutionary biologists would love nothing more than to have their work disproved. They wouldn&#8217;t call this a waste of their time, because whatever turns out to be correct Evolution has developed a number of things otuside of biology. On the contrary, they would be happy that science is heading in a better direction. There is no point researching a theory that isn&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>So, discuss I.D in religious classes. I&#8217;m absolutely in agreement that it should be heard in those contexts, but keep the science classrooms for science.<br />
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