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		<title>UK Government Bans Westboro Baptist Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I give my views on the censorship of free speech after the UK government bans both Geert Wilders and the Westboro Baptist Church from entering the UK.]]></description>
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<p>If there is anything to be said of the UK government&#8217;s actions on free speech this week, it is that they are consistent. First, they <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7885918.stm">ban Geert Wilders</a>, an elected politician in the Netherlands from entering the UK to show his film to the House of Lords (an event <strong>he was invited to</strong> I might add). Geert Wilders&#8217; movie &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)">Fitna</a>&#8221; portrays the Qur&#8217;an as a book filled with hate, and argues that the teachings within it have encouraged followers to commit terrorism and violence towards women. All of his accusations are accurate. The Qur&#8217;an has many examples of both <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/int/long.html">intolerance</a> and <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/cruelty/long.html">violence</a> in its pages, and this needs to be brought to attention of politicians if they are going to start making laws against &#8220;discrimination&#8221; of religions.</p>
<p>Secondly, the UK government announced today that the Westboro Baptist Church were <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7898972.stm?lss">banned from the UK</a>. The group, known for protesting the funerals of dead soldiers and pro-gay events, had planned on coming to the UK to <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4640967/Westboro-Baptist-Church-announces-first-anti-homosexuality-picket-in-Britain.html">protest a play that was being performed</a>. The play was about the torture and murder of a gay American student, and has been the target of the church before in the US. I wrote a blog post yesterday that argued for the right of the WBC to picket the event, on the ground of free speech. They weren&#8217;t telling people to go out and kill gay people (as Muslim clerics often preach) but instead they were preaching what the Bible says, that homosexuality is an &#8220;abomination&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is what angers me the most. That it is somehow &#8220;ok&#8221; to pick and choose what freedom of speech entails; that just because large amounts of Muslims believe that killing non-believers is a divine right, to reject that view and argue against it is a violation of religious freedom; that fringe groups wanting to express ideas cannot express them if they might somehow upset the status quo. Sure, what the WBC preach is hatred, but the fact that we recognise it as hatred is evidence enough that people are going to reject it and counter it with their own opinions. Banning such opinions isn&#8217;t going to make them go away, and I suspect that the &#8220;prohibition&#8221; effect will simply make their words louder and heard more often.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech has limits, it has to in order for it to work. The point is though, that any limits need to be kept to a minimum, and it can usually be kept to just one, namely, any speech that incites people to commit crimes. You can say you dislikeÂ  someone, or that you hate them for whatever reason, but as soon as you encourage people to harm them, or kill them, or commit crimes against them, you are stepping out of the boundaries of freedom of speech. It is for these reasons that I do not support banning the Bible or the Qur&#8217;an for their content, but rather make sure that the content can be critised in every medium available, and why I support the right of the WBC to say what they do about homosexuals, atheists, muslims, etc. As long as I have my right to say what I think in return, then we have no problems. It is when you suppress freedom of speech, as the UK government has done in the cases of Geert Wilders and the WBC, that the entire system becomes worthless. We might as well not have freedom of speech in this country if our government can decide what is and what is not acceptable on the fly as it appears they currently think they can do.<br />
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		<title>Fitna Removed From LiveLeak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Hayter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was planning to watch the controversial movie &#8220;Fitna&#8221; on LiveLeak.com and write a summary / report on it, but as I settled down to do so, I found a lot of reports from various other blogs saying that the film had been removed from quite a few places on the web. On LiveLeak itself [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was planning to watch the controversial movie &#8220;Fitna&#8221; on <a href="http://liveleak.com">LiveLeak.com</a> and write a summary / report on it, but as I settled down to do so, I found a lot of reports from various other blogs saying that the film had been removed from quite a few places on the web. On LiveLeak itself (on the homepage itself) the following message is displayed:</p>
<blockquote><p><span class="style2">Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.<br />
This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and religions, who gave us their support. They realized LiveLeak.com is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.<br />
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.<br />
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>I haven&#8217;t watched the movie yet (although I plan to after I write this), but if it&#8217;s anything like what I have heard about it, I&#8217;m honestly not that surprised. After the whole fiasco over one image of Muhammad with a bomb for a turban, I dread to think what repercussions will occur for a film that is purposefully against Islam.</p>
<p><span id="more-29"></span>Not that I think that such films shouldn&#8217;t be made, quite the contrary. I think the only way we twill ever get to a state of true global secularism is by continually showing these radicals that we will never give up. Once they finally realize that their threats and actions are not going to be tolerated, and that they should respect people&#8217;s opinions different to their own, maybe then we can have a sensible discussion over the whole matter. Acting like idiotic immature children (which they are) isn&#8217;t going to get them anywhere.</p>
<p>So, in case you want to see the film I&#8217;m going to link to it here. I found the two parts (10 minute and 7 minute respectively) on YouTube, although whether it stays up will be another thing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TxP-SOA0_0"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/2TxP-SOA0_0/default.jpg" width="130" height="97" border=0></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVmBx4dyG0"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/WkVmBx4dyG0/default.jpg" width="130" height="97" border=0></a><br />
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