The Atheist Blogger

Thunderf00t! Good job, but stop slouching!

Thunderf00t did a good job once he got going. It would have been nice to have another couple of hours but Ray was getting obviously uncomfortable.

Pretty good stuff. Though Ray certainly showed not only his insane lack of knowledge on evolution. But also how he is well versed in changing topics and asking back questions when the going gets tough. Also, I'm sure one part almost made Ray look a little like a Pedo…

I watched it all. I wish I didn't, it was so painful. A part from the audio being almost inaudible and having horrible lights, this conversation never went anywhere.

You had Thunderf00t trying to explain to an imbecile very simple ideas, which he could not understand. Subsequently, instead of cornering him and get to the point, that Ray he was either an ignorant, an imbecile, o fake or that he was just making plain wrong arguments, every single argument always fell down.

One above all, he didn't answer the Todd vs. God question. If the only difference is that God is in the Bible, then you just need to see the verifiability of the Bible, which we know very well to be either false, incomplete or simply irrelevant.
Ergo, there is no difference. I could make up the story of Todd, write a book and say this is the sacred scripture of Todd. No difference at all between the two.

Ergo, if you believe in that, you are either delusional or just plain stupid.

I liked the Todd vs God question a lot, I'd never thought of putting it that way. When Ray said "well, God is outlined in the Bible", I thought the obvious next step would be "well what about all the other Gods that are supported by Holy Books?"

"Ray Comfort’s points are torn apart in front of him one by one, as Thunderf00t explores the deeper meaning of Ray’s arguments"

That's a very generous and somewhat askance description of what actually takes place in this "debate" Adrian. This was a wasted opportunity for Thunderf00t. He spends most of his time stuttering, he is obviously under prepared and clearly hasn't researched much about Comfort and his beliefs. And please, Thunderf00t, leave the Bible alone unless you know what you're talking about – just stick to the science dude! If you're going to challenge someone to a debate then at least decide what you're actually going to discuss rather than this aimless rambling. A disappointing display.

I agree that Thunderf00t did a good job here. The problem with a lot of the fundagelical arguments is that they're overly simplistic – and few more so than those of Ray Comfort. They take time to refute, with careful definition of terms and premises. Ray's stuff is so formulaic you really have to go right back to first principles before you're likely to make any headway with him. You only need to look at Ray's "Way of the Master" website to see what kind of inflexible mindset you're dealing with.

The discussion could have gone on for another 90 minutes, but I think Ray could see the cliff edge approaching. You never know – maybe Thunderf00t's calm, collected, unflappable reasoning opened up a tiny chink in Ray's fundamentalist Christian armour….

I want to say that ThunderF00t did a hell of a job… I really, really do; however, the truth is I can only give him a C- instead. Most of the time he seem unsure and ill prepared. He should have made an outline to which he could have referred from time to time. He should have taken the lead at the outset and never relinquished it. Since the source of Ray Comfort's arguments is the bible he should have unrelentingly attacked it. He should have known the shaky history of the bible's authorship. There are two events in the bible that are totally indefensible: 1) the story of creation 2) Noah's flood. He should have unmercifully attacked both of these biblical stories. If anyone has this opportunity they should prepare, prepare, prepare! Ray Comfort is on a ton of videos; TF should have watched every one of them.

I couldn't finish it. Regardless of whether Thunderfoot is good at public speaking or not I felt increasingly frustrated at the way he attacked Ray's arguments. Time and again I felt he was reaching a point and it slipped through his fingers. I can listen to people stumble words if they at least get to a fucking point at the end.

Watching those Christian evangelicals is always painful though. Their arguments are so rubbish you may as well be watching a train wreck. It would be nice if there was some originality to their arguments, but the same flaws come up again and again.

Thunderf00t's science videos have always been connected to religion though…hence why the majority of them are aimed at debunking Creationism (as Creationism is religious and not in the least bit scientific).

I have to say that Thunderf00t did well…it is so easy during a debate with a Creationist to decide it just isn't worth it and give up…they're never going to listen anyway, it's just the way it is. If they can't choose Evolution over Creationism with the mountains of evidence we currently have in support of Evolution now (and the absence of evidence in support of Creationism), then why should we think they would ever change?

I gave you thumbs up, but just gotta say – I used to be a fundy creationist and now I'm not one. YouTube vloggers had a lot to do with that (especially Why Won't God Heal Amputees)

I understand that Creationist's do realize the truth and become Evolutionists. I too was once a fundy Creationist.

When I said that Creationists won't ever listen, I was really aiming at those like Ray Comfort, the big Creationist speakers, and the ones who listen to them. Not all Creationists are going to be biased in favour of one side without hearing the other side of the argument…if all Creationists were simply Creationist through bias neither you nor I would be Evolutionists now. However, there is a lot of Creationists who are ignorant through bias, it's not that they can't understand Evolution, it's that they refuse to even try to understand Evolution, and these are the people who won't listen despite the mountains of evidence. These are also the only Creationists who will probably be interested in this debate, seeing as Comfort is involved, and so Thunderf00t's hard work would fall on deaf ears in any case.

I understand that Creationist's do realize the truth in a lot of cases, and become Evolutionists. I too was once a fundy Creationist.

When I said that Creationists won't ever listen, I was really aiming at those like Ray Comfort, the big Creationist speakers, and the ones who listen to them. Not all Creationists are going to be biased in favour of one side without hearing the other side of the argument…if all Creationists were simply Creationist through bias neither you nor I would be Evolutionists now. However, there is a lot of Creationists who are ignorant through bias, it's not that they can't understand Evolution, it's that they refuse to even try to understand Evolution, and these are the people who won't listen despite the mountains of evidence. These are also the only Creationists who will probably be interested in this debate, seeing as Comfort is involved, and so Thunderf00t's hard work would fall on deaf ears in any case.

I understand that Creationist's do realize the truth in a lot of cases, and become Evolutionists. I too was once a fundy Creationist.

When I said that Creationists won't ever listen, I was really aiming at those like Ray Comfort, the big Creationist speakers, and the ones who listen to them. Not all Creationists are going to be biased in favour of one side without hearing the other side of the argument…if all Creationists were simply Creationist through bias neither you nor I would be Evolutionists now. However, there are a lot of Creationists who are ignorant through bias, it's not that they can't understand Evolution, it's that they refuse to even try to understand Evolution, and these are the people who won't listen despite the mountains of evidence. These are also the only Creationists who will probably be interested in this debate, seeing as Comfort is involved, and so Thunderf00t's hard work would fall on deaf ears in any case.

I understand that Creationist's do realize the truth in a lot of cases, and become Evolutionists. I too was once a fundy Creationist.

When I said that Creationists won't ever listen, I was really aiming at those like Ray Comfort, the big Creationist speakers, and the ones who listen to them. Not all Creationists are going to be biased in favour of one side without hearing the other side of the argument…if all Creationists were simply Creationist through bias neither you nor I would be Evolutionists now. However, there are a lot of Creationists who are ignorant through bias, it's not that they can't understand Evolution, it's that they refuse to even try to understand Evolution, and these are the people who won't listen despite the mountains of evidence. These are also the only Creationists who will probably be interested in this debate, seeing as Comfort is involved, and so Thunderf00t's hard work would fall on deaf ears in any case.

On the other hand, the Creationists who are only Creationist because they haven't yet viewed both sides of the argument probably won't watch videos by Thunderf00t, as if they were interested in knowing the truth they wouldn't be Creationist anymore, they would have already found out for themselves. They're the sort of people that don't mind being wrong in situations like this because there isn't much interest for them. A pity really.

Ah, okay. I was willfully ignorant in that I wouldn't even LOOK at the evidence for evolution, but I certainly didn't try to co-opt scientific observations and force them to fit my preconceptions either. I just tried to ignore science as much as possible (and now I'm trying to make up for lost time).

Isn't it nice we both got some sense talked into us?

Yeah, well actually, I have to admit that I once wanted to be a reverend, and I read my bible daily. In the primary school that I went to, which wasn't supposed to be a Christian school, all children were forced to pray to the God of the bible (regardless of their faith, and it was a very mixed school. Atheist's were stood up and referred to as "sad people"…it happened to me in my final year.

I was always keen at science though, and that proved fatal to my faith in God.

The great thing is my Dad's family is very Christian and yet they were always happy for me to make my own decisions. I'm greatful for that. Most Christian families I know of would disown their kids if they left their beliefs, which is sad really. I can't think of anything more sad than a family willing to choose their faith over their offspring.

I was groomed from birth to take over my grandmother's faith-healing cult, so I did a bit of Bible study myself at one point :p

I wish I'd found science earlier. I'm doing a post tonight on my blog about great secular science resources for kids. My 3 yo says "cranium" when he points to his head. How cool is that?

Well, your children are certainly well educated. :)

I think everyone that finds an interest in science or leaves their faith probably wishes that they'd found it a bit earlier…but as long as you reach it in the end, that's all that matters. :p

I watched the start and mr. thunderfoot was spouting nothing but gibberish to the point that I could not watch any more. For an educated man he sure is dumb. As for the Todd vs God arguement…Tod has not demonstrated his existance. God has.

As far as Darwinian Evolution goes…Wow I am taken back by the intellect that cannot see the serious lack of evidence! Given the fossile records of even the most simple organisms not even one cross over or middle organisms has been demonstrated. Sience is a very arrogant bunch! Should even one person find a link between any organism and another it'll be all over the place and this evidence will be promenently displayed for all to see. That is because science is eager to dispell the creator God from the minds of all people. Given the lack of evidence the THEORY cannot be supported. After all, science cannot prove anything it only frefutes or supports hypotheses. To say that the theory of evolution is proven fact is scientifically irresponsible.____Also, Evolution states very clearly that sex is the ONLY purpose for life. The sole reason any organism lives is to pass on their genes. Natural selection is the way genes are removed from a population. Again stating that sex is the only reason WE live. That means only viable sexual relations are allowed. Given all this wonderful scientific "POOF" why then do homosexuals live?____If we are to be intelligent thinkers that is.

By middle organism, are you referring to the croco-duck? If you are, then I think you will be severely disappointed. If you are referring to the link species, then, I'll send you a picture of me. All species are links to the future species.

Having a few homosexuals won't hurt the population as long as there are enough heterosexuals therefore it is okay for some humans to be homosexual. It is not the survival of an individual that matters, it is the survival of the SPECIES that matters.

Tod DID demonstrated his existence, the same way that God did… By appearing in a book. BTW I wrote the book, hehehe I'm the second prophet of TOD.

The stuttering was probably caused by the jam of info. Ray had so many themes that it was hard to actually pick one to begin with but. In the end Ray got slaugtered. Tf00t even quoted random parts of the bible at the end followed by Ray's surpraised reaction. You sayed to leave the bible alone and stick with science. But it's te christians that keep bashing on science that keeps this war going so, how about you stick with your lies and we'll stick with our facts.